Warren Throckmorton

hi warren,

just out of curiousity, how is your friend noe guitterez (sp?) I havent heard from him in awhile, and his website is down. reason why i ask is because he was on your video and he said he found his heterosexuality. i am just curious to see how he is now, whether those changes were permanent.

all the best

Searcher
 

Noe and I had a nice visit at the most recent Exodus conference. He very much values his privacy now and took his site down for that reason.
 

Warren,

It is not inaccurate to describe NARTH and Focus (and hence LWO) as "these are the same people".

They are the same people. I know you do not need a list of names to prove that point.

Focus funds the anti-gay campaign. NARTH pretends the scientific-sounding names for that campaign. And Exodus is the face on the billboard for that campaign.

You'll never get a job with the police in the Organised Crime Syndicate Unit at this rate... or as a business analyst.
 

grantdale - This is not difficult. The organizers used a tactic that if (or when) used by someone of opposing ideology, you would all over it. They were informed about this by EGW people and by Michael Bussee, all of whom thought the organizers should simply make it clear who did and said what.

I have no trouble assigning culpability to NARTH and have done so here.
 

Warren, we emailed them too. Correcting what was not correct.

Will you post the critique of Fryrear?

She has her own opinions, of course, but she also utterly misrepresented the true opinions of others in her op-ed. Far from supporting her, they disagree entirely.

That's called fraud where we come from.

And not a peep from you?
 

Wrong is wrong.

To say that the article was published by FOTF or LWO is blatanly wrong, and should be corrected.

Now, it wouldn't be such a big deal if this was a more benign article...but given the fact that the article is so explosive and is racist, this gives us all the more reason to be careful here.

As much as I don't agree with Dr. Dobson's religious views, I'm pretty sure he's not a racist.
 

Thanks for the info Michael and Jim. Jim, feel free to post a link here when you post on your site.
 

Here is what The Desert Sun had to say about the peaceful protest outside the church:

"Protesters started gathering on Fred Waring Drive outside Southwest Community Church about 7:30 a.m. Saturday to make a peaceful statement against the Love Won Out conference sponsored by Focus on the Family. Being careful to stay on the sidewalk and off of private property, they marched and carried signs. A group on the corner waved and yelled, "Good morning!" to cars driving into the church.

"It's not about shouting slogans," said Pam Erwin of Palm Springs, who held a sign that read, "I reconciled my faith and sexuality."
"Whatever your religious belief, there's no room for hate," she said.

Michael Bussee of Riverside said he was one of the founders of event organizer, EXODUS International, and used to believe that it was possible to change homosexual behavior, until he fell in love with a man in EXODUS.

Bussee said he doesn't think organizations like EXODUS are hate organizations. "I just believe that the message that they send ... reinforces cultural attitudes that being a homosexual is bad and that any decent person would want to change."
 

Apparently, LWO tends to "mislead" folks as well. This rom the Desert Sun:

"Love Won Out media director Gary Schneeberger said the event was not aimed at influencing political decisions on gay marriage, domestic partner benefits or gay adoption. But in at least one of the conference sessions the speaker highlighted gay marriage ballot initiatives and told the audience arguments they could use against gay marriage advocates."

"National same-sex marriage could also mean a very real threat to our religious freedom," Bill Maier, a Focus on the Family vice president, told the group.
 

Ex-gay watch has photos of anti-gay marriage pamphlets on the conference attendee's chairs. Perhaps, in all fairness, you should start a new thread on how LWO and FOTF misleads reporters.

http://www.family.org/cforum/pdfs/fosi/marriage/Why_Not_Gay_Marriage.pdf appears to be the pamplet in question.
 

A friend of mine attended the conference in the morning and the rally in the afternoon. He commented that it seemed to him that at "mission field was outside while Focus on the Family stayed inside preaching to the choir."