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Thursday, July 28, 2005

 

Wanna send your kid to this?

How is this a responsible program?

Comments:
*Sigh* It looks like their first page is a bad attempt at getting men involved. It sends the wrong message, in contrast to what the organization claims to do:

http://www.rosmy.org/youth_services.html

They may very have some good resources, but they are undermining that message by recruiting men to be involved who want to go to the "hottest gay clubs" in town.

Still, does that mean that *all* GLBT youth programs are constructed this way? (Any more than LIA(R) is representative of all reparative therapy/church ministries?)
 
For contrast...

http://www.growingamericanyouth.org
 
I read you re blog, and it should be noted that while the gay community attacks ex gay groups for youth! It shows no shame in the fact the for years the
gay advocacy groups have used these same sort of religious and secular groups
to foster a gay identity!
When I was 16, I met at an Episcopal Church, where there I was encouraged to be gay!
What was of interest is that my parents were not there, or informed.
I was told by my guidance counselor, not to alert my parents.
My psychiatrist all said I was gay!
What was hard though was I could not have gay sex
That's is I was attracted to men but I was not attracted to the sex!
So that left me in a crazy situation
Any way my point is, the gay groups use the same tactics!!
They just come at it differently!
This group was my first entry into gay life..I call it the straight repartee therapy camp
 
Ck - I don't think all youth programs are this way, just as I don't think all ex-gay programs are like LIA. Oh that is what you wrote :)

The think I reacted to was not just the recruitment to men but as the website said, "men and boys." I wonder what that looks like?

I wonder if Duane has any insight into that issue?
 
At least GAY in STL (see my link) does actively recruit for both mature teenagers and adults. It's sort of like the idea behind a youth group, where kids respond positively to role models close to their age under the tutelage of role models farther down the way.

You can call it "recruitment" if you'd like, but it's a model emulated in many different youth support systems.

I'm not sure how Dwane understands attraction if it isn't about sexual relations. Certainly attraction transcends genital contact, but it isn't right to consider someone gay or straight based on "attraction" (read: interest, love for, adoration or, etc.) alone. I myself have "attraction" towards men, but don't wish to have sexual interaction with them, nor do I wish to couple with them for life.

I think Dwane was probably the victim of unhelpful stereotyping and a shallow understanding of homosexual attraction.
 
Gregg Johnson from ROSMY e-mailed me and said that their website was "badly out of date" and they are no longer involved with the Mpowerment Project. Also, I can't find an active link from ROSMY's home page to the page Dr. Throckmorton linked to.

It appears from the Mpowerment Project's website that the project focuses on "young gay/bisexual men, ages 18-29". ROSMY focuses on sexual minority youth "between the ages of 14 and 21". So, it would seem ROSMY's primarily involvement in the project would be young adults ages 18-21 unless they extended outreach to people ages 21-29 specifically for this project.

I assume the "boys" the website refers to would be young adult gay men -- not literally boys. Although it is confusing since ROSMY does serve boys under age 18 and at first glance the statement "men and boys" is alarming.
 
RE: ck

I think Dwane was probably the victim of unhelpful stereotyping and a shallow understanding of homosexual attraction.

Or he simply made it up; believe me, having been around the internet; there are enough people, who know that they're anonymous, that they'll throw out any old random story and claim it as their personal experience.

I've NEVER seen ANYTHING like what he mentioned; the gay youth groups I have been involved in work in these areas:

1) Dispelling myths - that you must be or act a certain way if you're gay; for many people they *think* they're gay simply because they don't fall into the stereotype of the 'bloke'.

2) Provide role models - someone who they can talk to if they're having problems; someone who has 'been there, done there' and are able to offer helpful advice.

3) Provide a way to meet other gay/lesbian and trangender youth and young adults - so that they don't feel like they're the 'local freak', that there are others out there who share the same feelings.

4) Provide advice on how to form healthy, long term relationships - relations aren't just about sex, procreation or 'who is hot' - many kids get a warpped sense of what a relationship is when they see their pairs, their parents and what is shown on television.

As for the 'recruiting' myth - an old wives tale spawned off an article from 20 years ago, written by a guy showing how the 'oppressed becoming the oppressors - look at the number of times THAT article has been used!

Maybe a fundie around here can inform me how one recruits, maybe I'm not doing by job as a 'fellow gay' in recruiting - or is it the fact that I was never 'recruited', I simply acknowledged my same sex attractions and acknowledged my homosexuality.
 
They may very have some good resources, but they are undermining that message by recruiting men to be involved who want to go to the "hottest gay clubs" in town.

I used the word recruit taken from ck's post. I do not believe many kids are capable of being recruited, although some are and have told me these stories in counseling.

kaiwai - You're experience is not the only standard. Others have had different experiences. Just because you have not seen ANYTHING like this does not mean it does not occur.

Despite nojam's reassurances, there is still a need to for all youth organizers for all groups to be incredibly careful about the messages they send off regarding sexuality. I was in Wilmington DE once reviewing medical records and in the same building found a gay youth club offering health services to kids from 12-18 that was actively telling kids who were confused about their sexual feelings that they were gay, born that way and provided homosexually oriented fiction for them to read.
 
Here is the link to the ROSMY mpowerment program - http://www.rosmy.org/mpowerment_project.html.

There was a link as of yesterday and now it is missing.
 
I said: I think Dwane was probably the victim of unhelpful stereotyping and a shallow understanding of homosexual attraction.

Kawai said:
Or he simply made it up; believe me, having been around the internet; there are enough people, who know that they're anonymous, that they'll throw out any old random story and claim it as their personal experience.


Sorry, but if you're going to post about your experience and expect respectful dialogue with it, you should mete out the same towards others. Maybe you just "made up" being gay...

Sure, it's possible that Dwane's recollection is impaired. But that isn't for us to decide in this forum.

And regarding "recruiting" I meant that term in a non-pejorative sense, as in "The YMCA is recruiting volunteers." This was not (if you'll look at context) the same as saying "The Gay Movement is recruiting members."
 
RE: Warren

I was in Wilmington DE once reviewing medical records and in the same building found a gay youth club offering health services to kids from 12-18 that was actively telling kids who were confused about their sexual feelings that they were gay, born that way and provided homosexually oriented fiction for them to read.

Hmm, now that doesn't sound like good mentoring; my website (I've finally put up) about being gay, the one thing I emphasise is his ( http://www.geocities.com/thegaykiwi/ ) :

"This isn't a "yes" or "no" service, only you can answer that question as only you know your true self."

Too many kids want the 'yes' or 'no' solution - for many it may take two years for them to find out themselves; and if it means they 'play' the relationship field a little, then so be it, better to keep an open mind that simply to pigeon hole oneself into a box and say, "well, now that I am an zyx, thats it".

RE: ck

And regarding "recruiting" I meant that term in a non-pejorative sense, as in "The YMCA is recruiting volunteers." This was not (if you'll look at context) the same as saying "The Gay Movement is recruiting members."

Ah, I see what you mean, lol, if I were used as the poster boy for the 'gay community', I'm sure my photo would be enough to turn anyone straight ;-)
 
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